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Zulhijja 1, 1428, December 12, 2007. #94
Jamaat al-Muslimeen [News] [2 items only]
P.O. Box 10881
Baltimore, MD 21234
Eid on December 21
Jamaat al-Muslimeen announces that the Crescent was sighted
at numerous places across America on December 11. Hence
Eid al-Adha will be on December 21.
As usual, ISNA's fitnah is trying to divide the Muslims and
to negate the Sunnah of Muhammad, pbuh, in this matter.
Please scroll all the way down
to the Islamic position on the sighting of the Crescent for
Eid al-Adha. We publish it with thanks to Dr. Omar Afzal, the
leading authority in America on this issue. Also visit his
for refutation of ISNA and related issues.
[Scroll all the way down.]
Ahmed Abdel Sattar
, Devout Muslim, Facing Deadly Situation in U.S. Prison
11, 2007: Ahmed, is facing the destructive processes of the
U.S. prison system at its worse. Having been disallowed to
get any exercise and restricted to his cell for 23 hours a
day, he has blood clots in his legs.
His family has now been told that they will have a visit
after every SIX MONTHS. For more than a year, his wife and
children have not been able to meet him.
Ahmed, a U.S. citizen of Egyptian origin, is a devout Muslim
who was sentenced for talking, on the phone, to opponents of
the murderous Egyptian dictator Hosni Mubarak.
Please write urgently to the prison administration at this
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Letter to O'Reilly [Fox TV]
Serious Error about the Alleged Success of Water-boarding
Torture in the case of Abu Zubaydah
Dear Mr. O'Reilly: [Re: Your December 11 program.] Your
enthusiasm to prove the efficacy of water-boarding as a form
of torture led you to bring forth an informant on the subject
who was less than candid. Your informant said that Abu
Zubaydah started talking within a minute after he was
water-boarded. Your informant did not state what kind of
information Abu Zubaydah provided.
He is a Palestinian Islamist who was 30 at the time of his
arrest. President Bush himself was interested in the
possibilities and extent of information which could be
extracted from him. Ron Suskind in his groundbreaking book on
the subject, The One Percent Doctrine, indicates very
clearly, from expert, inside, witnesses, that the torture led
Abu Zubaydah to provide "information" which was extremely
misleading and damaging to the efforts of security within the
U.S. The interrogators not only water-boarded him but threw
their entire package of fear and intimidation at him.
Unfortunately for the U.S. he was merely an organizer of
transportation for Al-Qaida visitors and travelers and knew
nothing of combat plans.
Here is what Suskind writes about the results of the torture:
"Under this duress, Zubaydah told them that shopping malls
were targeted by Al-Qaeda....Agents from the FBI, Secret
Services, Customs, and various related agencies joined local
police to surround malls. Zubaydah said banks - yes, banks -
were a priority. FBI agents led officers in a race to
surround and secure banks. And also supermarkets - Al-Qaeda
was planning to blow up crowded supermarkets, several at one
time." [page 115]
And the list went on from Abu Zubaydah's fertile mind. Mr.
O'Reilly I wonder if you remember those scares when every now
and then the color code for fear of attack would brighten. It
was all fake and the result of torture which led the victim
to concoct stories because he believed he was going to die.
The Quest for Peace
USA Cannot Defeat Islam:
Understanding and the Principle of Self-Determination can
Lead to Peace
by Kaukab Siddique, Ph.D
Associate Professor of English
Before we understand why the U.S. cannot win,
[scroll down for answer],
let's get some deadwood out of the way.
It's time for the U.S. to stop pretending that it is not
waging war on Islam and that it considers Islam a "noble
religion of peace." The ravaged and desecrated mosques of
Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Palestine have made that
pretense quite futile.
Once the U.S. is willing to be honest and accept the fact
that it is waging war on Islam, the quest for peace
Let's get rid of the labels devised by the U.S. for Muslims
whom it does not like. Six years and 3 months after 9.11
non-propagandist analysis of the war indicates quite clearly
that for the U.S.:
"Fundamentalist" means a Muslim who takes Islam seriously and
practices it in his/her daily life.
"Extremist" simply means a Muslim who rejects American
interference in the Muslim world and speaks out against it.
"Terrorist" is a coverall word for an Islamic fighter who is
willing and able to attack American and pro-American forces.
Americans, in great numbers, already suspect that the U.S.
government is not honest with them. Muslims here can take the
initiative and tell Americans the following facts:
Which are the OBSTACLES to peace?
No Islamic leader, however radical, including Osama, is
waging war on Christians and Jews. No one is trying to force
people of other religions to accept Islam.
No Islamic group is trying to take over the lands of
non-Muslims. The conflict is taking place entirely in Muslim
lands, such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Pakistan,
Chechnya, Palestine, Somalia, Sudan.
The Qur'an teaches that Muslims and Christians should be
friends. The Book is very critical of Jews but is definitely
Is it not strange that with NOT ONE army willing to fight for
Islam, America and Israel still can't win? Here is why:
Israel's existence, planted by force of arms in the heartland
of Islam, is the seminal generator of conflict between Islam
and the West. There is no question of the acceptance of
Israel by the world of Islam. The Qur'an has made it
imperative that those who drive the Muslims out by force must
in turn be driven out by force.
Does the HARAM [illegitimite, forbidden] existence of Israel
mean that Muslims want to annihilate all the Jews in the
Zionist entity? Definitely not. The military defeat of Israel
does not mean the general massacre of Jews. No Muslim,
however radical, including Osama, has proposed any such
massacre. Saladin [Salahuddin Ayyubi] defeated the crusaders
and sent them home with honor and respect back to Europe even
after they had occupied Jerusalem for 100 years.
At this time Israel is too strong even for the combined
armies of Arab countries but the concept of war is changing.
Israel will be defeated sooner or later.
Israel knows that no genuine Muslim will ever accept a
Zionist state imposed by force on Palestine. Hence Israel,
through the Mossad and CIA, supports the imposition of
brutal, ruthless and anti-Islam rulers on Muslim countries.
No one has served Israel more than Abdullah of Jordan,
Mubarak of Egypt, Abdullah of "Saudi" Arabia, Maliki of Iraq,
Karzai of Kabul and Musharraf of Pakistan. Their role has
been to divide their nations and to suppress the Islamic
rights of the people. Massive funding by the U.S. keeps these
puppets in power.
Support for these rulers by the U.S. [read Israel] sends
WAVES of SUFFERING through the Muslim world. Arbitrary
arrest, torture, psychological warfare and big time bribery
Islam is not a national entity confined to any one geographic
boundary. Bush and his advisers/propagandists often claim
that they will turn Iraqis and Afghans into tamed Muslims
just like they turned their ferocious World War II enemies,
Japanese and Germans, into abject and servile people who are
often mere cheap imitations of Americans.
America is not being opposed by national-secular forces in
Iraq and Afghanistan but by Islamic forces imbued with values
connected to belief in the Hereafter. The national-secular
forces are in fact supporting the U.S.
As the conflict continues, the support for resistance
[Jihad], slowly but steadily escalates. If Islam is a lake,
American bombs dropping in the lake, create bigger and bigger
ripples, some of them huge waves. The bigger the bombs, the
wider the ripples of resistance.
When the WTC and the Pentagon were hit by 19 assailants using
American planes, the Muslim world did not understand what had
happened. The Muslim middle class came up with conspiracy
theories [generated by Iranian TV al-Manar] about 9.11.
Masses of Muslims demonstrated around the world in support of
Osama when the U.S. bombed Afghanistan, particularly when the
bombing was carried out during Ramadan, but these protests
were not in support of the 9.11 attacks.
Less than 1% of the Muslim world, according to some
estimates, wanted to help Osama fight against America
[although one percent is a very large number in a world
population of 1.8 billion]. Six years later, the estimate of
Muslims actually willing to fight America has risen to 10 %.
Numbers of people supporting the fighters without trying to
join are estimated at 44% in Pakistan and 6o% in "Saudi"
Arabia. As for being against the American war on Muslims, the
least hostile to America, Turkey, has 80 to 90% opposition,
with 99% in Jordan [whose King is Bush's "buddy."]
Islam is resurgent. Suppression will not work. The martyrdom
of Husain, r.a., the grandson of the Prophet, pbuh,
rejuvenated Islam for a thousand years. Today Shi'ite support
for America often clouds the fact that the martyrdom concept
is a rejuvenating element in the Islamic psyche, be it the
martyrdom of Husain, r.a., or that of Abdullah ibn Zubair,
r.a, or that of Umar, r.a, or that of Usman, r.a., or that of
the first woman martyr, Sumayya, r.a. There is no such thing
as a "suicide bomber." Muslims honor the martyrdom operators
with the greatest honor because Allah has honored
self-sacrifice. Psychological studies aimed at denigration of
"suicide bombers," most of them coming out of Israeli think
tanks, have not persuaded Muslims to dishonor the martyrs
[though everyone deplores the civilian deaths which have
occurred owing to the lack of accuracy and haste of the
"suiciders" to go to Paradise.]
Because Islam is resurgent, propaganda against Islam is bound
to hurt Muslims, even the relatively secularized Muslims. The
U.S., Israel and Britain have embarked on a disastrous course
by attacking the martyrs of Islam as "suiciders" and the
hijabi women as "victims" of male superiority. The Israeli
propaganda springs from deep hatred of Islam. It should not
have been used by the U.S. media. America has not gained
anything by the constant attempts to denigrate fighters as
"terrorists." Israelis and Americans in F-16s are shown as
heroes of freedom and democracy while the oppressed and
downtrodden sons and daughters of Islam, who turn their frail
bodies into weapons are shown as "terrorists." Such
dishonesty would be unthinkable by any standards of
A very important Israeli value which the American power
structure shares can be summed up in the phrase: BOMB THEM
INTO THE STONE AGE. For the sake of peace, America should
give up the Israeli idea that bombing will work. Even Saddam
was not cowed down by bombing. With the forces of Islam, the
threat is meaningless. Bombing usually destroys the
infrastructure which is valuable for Muslim middle classes
which, in most cases, are already allied to the U.S./Europe.
If tomorrow, the U.S. and Israel were foolish enough to bomb
Syria, Egypt or Iran, the Islamic resistance would increase
to a level unheard of till now.
If someone as wealthy and used to luxury as Osama and Ayman
al-Zawahiri can move to the rugged terrain and the harsh
climate of Afghanistan, what is to be gained by taking away
the goods of the world from those who love the Other World.
Stop trying to impose "democracy" on Muslims. The experiences
of Palestinians in Gaza, the Algerians before them, and now
the trickery of General Musharraf, have left Muslims with no
illusions about American concepts of "democracy."
The way to peace is connected to the principle of
SELF-DETERMINATION. The Muslim world should have the right to
rule itself on the basis of Islam. The U.S. should not be
courting "leaders" who deny Islam's political power. In Hosni
Mubarak's Egypt, Islam as a force in the socio-political
system is denied, by the use of brute state terrorism, to a
population which is more than 90% Muslim. The same is true
If the American people realize that the U.S. is denying Islam
to a people who want Islam, there could be greater
understanding about the causes of conflict.
Behind the smokescreen of "confrontation"
Shi'ite Iraqi Delegation Led by Hakim in U.S., Plans
[Here is how it appeared in the AFP report dated
December 11, 2007]
Iran, US may meet on Iraq security in 'few days': Shiite
The fourth round of US-Iranian talks on curbing violence in
Iraq may take place in the next few days, powerful Iraqi
Shiite leader Abdel Aziz al-Hakim said Tuesday at the end of
a US visit. Hakim, who met with US President George W. Bush
last week, said the newly released US intelligence report
saying Iran halted its nuclear bomb program in 2003 would
help the dialogue between the two foes. "I suppose that Iraq
should host in the coming few days this fourth round of the
dialogue. We are seeking to see a constructive dialogue,"
Hakim said at a news conference (...) The US ambassador to
Iraq, Ryan Crocker, and his Iranian counterpart, Hassan
Kazemi Qomi, are likely to represent their respective
governments at the coming talks, Haitham Al-Husseini, a
member of Hakim's delegation, told AFP. "I think the
ambassadors, of course, are going to participate,"
Read the full http://www.uruknet.de/?s1=1&p=38914&s2=06
article / Leggi l'articolo completo:
Israeli Terror Group IDF
In Their Own Words-Members of the IDF Speak
by Mark Glenn [A Christian friend of Muslims.]
December 11, 2007
It is important for Americans to remember–and particularly
these days when well-paid liars for Israel such as Normon
Podhoretz, Daniel Pipes, David Horowitz et al are pushing the
entire Western World into armed conflict with those in the
Middle East–that the start of the whole affair between
America and "terrorism" was not the rise of 'Islamo-fascism'
that warmongers such as the aforenamed have labeled as being
the cause of the problems.
Rather, it is the history–the well-documented and
easily-verifiable history–of unspeakable violence that has
been perpetrated everyday for the last century by those under
the ungodly, inhuman spell known as Zionism against the
peoples of the Middle East, Christian as well as Muslim,
violence that rarely (if ever) gets a fair hearing in the
Those who make it their business to document and expose
Israel's regularly-occurring viciousness against the peoples
of Palestine, Lebanon and elsewhere are usually met with
scoffs and contempt by a media in the West for the most part
completely within the clutches of Zionist/Jewish interests.
While the world is forced to hear about every instance–real
or contrived–of someone from the Jewish community suffering a
nose bleed or whose 'dignity has been offended' by some
bigoted remark, at the same time the world is rarely afforded
the opportunity of hearing about what takes place in the
lives of innocent Arabs–men, women and children–who must
suffer under the oppression of a foreign occupier that
considers them 'grasshoppers' whose 'heads should be smashed
against the wall', as one former Israeli prime minister
A recent piece appearing in the Guardian of London sparked
outrage in the Zionist Jewish community for its brutal
frankness concerning the brutal behavior of Israel's
soldiers, inaccurately named the 'IDF'–meaning Israeli
Defense Forces' towards the Arabs who find themselves in the
tragic position of being under their thumb. The piece in
question detailed a series of interviews conducted by a
psychologist at Hebrew University named Nufar Yishai-Karin
with 21 members of the IDF.
As the reader will see, the members of Israel's military
forces are not the 'most moral army in the world' as they are
often called by the slavish, sycophant supporters of the
political corporation based on gangster principles known as
Israel. Rather, as the damning interviews indicate, being one
of 'God's chosen soldiers' in Gaza and the West Bank means
being tasked with the business of inflicting as much pain,
suffering and humiliation upon the Christians and Muslims
there as possible so as to eventually make them leave,
resulting in the racially-pure 'Eretz Y'Israel' that Zionism
demands. Reprinted below–in their own words–are the remarks
of just a few members of the IDF describing what life is like
for the Arabs living in the Occupied Territories, a mere
smattering of the truth that Americans–and particularly
American Christians–never read or hear about, neither from
their news media nor their well-paid and over-fed preachers.
'The truth? When there is chaos, I like it. That's when I
enjoy it. It's like a drug. If I don't go into Rafah, and if
there isn't some kind of riot once in some weeks, I
'The most important thing is that it removes the burden of
the law from you... You are the law...The moment you leave
the place that is called Eretz Yisrael [the Land of Israel]
and go through the Erez checkpoint into the Gaza Strip, you
are the law. You are God...'
'We were in a weapons carrier when this guy, around 25,
passed by in the street and, just like that, for no reason -
he didn't throw a stone, did nothing - bang, a bullet in the
stomach, we shot him in the stomach and the guy is dying on
the pavement and we keep going, apathetic. No one gave him a
'With women I have no problem with violence...One threw a
shoe at me and I kicked her here [pointing to the crotch], I
broke everything there. She can't have children. Next time
she won't throw shoes at me. When one of them spat at me, I
gave her the rifle butt in the face. She doesn't
Another instance recounted by the psychologist conducting the
interviews described an occasion where the soldiers were
escorting some arrested Palestinians. The arrested men had
been taken from their beds in the middle of the night and
were barely clothed, even though the temperature was below
zero. The new recruits trampled on the Palestinians and then
beat them for the whole of the journey. They opened the bus
windows and poured water on the arrested men from
As the testimonies prove, the brutality is not limited to
grown men and women. In one instance, a soldier recounts
something he witnessed while on patrol–
"It's 6am, Rafah is under curfew, there isn't so much as a
dog in the streets. Only a little boy of four playing in the
sand. He is building a castle in his yard. Our officer
suddenly starts running and we all run with him. He grabs the
boy and breaks his hand here at the wrist and his leg here.
Then he started to stomp on his stomach, three times, and
left...The next day I go out with him on another patrol, and
the soldiers are already starting to do the same thing."
These short, small-in-number testimonies from 'Israel's
finest' are but microscopic testimonies to a version of the
truth that the world rarely hears, if ever, and despite the
fact that they are things that have appeared more recently,
what the world should remember is that it is but the tip of
an iceberg that has existed for nearly a century now. And let
not the world make the mistake of thinking that it is limited
to the ramblings of a few nobodies in the IDF, when
considering the words of Ariel Sharon, the Butcher of Beirut,
war criminal and the monster that George Bush once referred
to as a 'man of peace'–
"...I encourage my soldiers to rape Arabic girls, since the
Palestinian woman is a slave for the Jews, and we do whatever
we want to her and nobody tells us what we shall do but we
tell others what they shall do..."
–or a diary entry from –'Moshe,' a Second Lieutenant in the
"...I took the Palestinian girl captive. On the first night
the soldiers pack-raped her and the next day I saw fit to
remove her from the world. I had the soldiers dig a shallow
grave, and then I killed the 12 year-old girl with a burst
from a sub-machine gun."
–or the remarks of Christopher Hedges, American journalist on
assignment in Gaza–
"......The Israeli soldiers shoot with silencers. The bullets
from the American M-16 rifles tumble end over end through the
children's slight bodies. Later, in the hospital, I will see
the destruction: the stomachs ripped out, the gaping holes in
limbs and torsos. Yesterday at this spot the Israelis shot
eight young men, six of who were under the age of eighteen.
This afternoon they killed an eleven-year-old boy, Ali Murad,
and seriously wound four more, three of who are under
eighteen. Children have been shot in other conflicts I have
covered, but never before have I watched as soldiers enticed
children like mice into a trap and murdered them for sport."
And it is precisely this last thing, 'murdering people for
sport' and sadism of the Zionists that is the reason for
American men and women dying in Iraq and Afghanistan today
and–barring some miracle–why they will be dying in Iran and
2007 Mark Glenn
Eid al-Adha is on the Tenth day of Dhul Hijja by the
This "Bid'ah" of fixing Eid al-Adha date by the Hajj date in
Makka started in some Arab countries and Turkey not long ago
on the assumption the Hajj/Arafah in Makka in on the 9th.
Therefore, the next day would be the 10th all over the world.
The Qur'an affirms "Ahilla" (the crescent moons) as the
"Mawaqeet" for all Islamic dates and for the Hajj. (2:189)
No Fiqh school ever obligated the Muslims all over the world
to fix their Eid al-Adha by the Hajj date in Makka. None ever
claimed that it is Eid al-Hajj.
The Messenger (SAW) obligated the Muslims to pray Eid al-Adha
on the 10th of Dhul Hijja (wherever they are on that day),
and make their sacrifice. He said: the sacrifice done before
Eid al-Adha prayer does not fulfill the obligation.
All Ahadith mention 10 Dhul Hijja as the date of prayer and
sacrifice. None mentions Eid al-Adha as Eid al-Hajj or
complementary to Hajj rituals.
Muslim Ummah followed this Qur'anic instruction and the
practice of the Messenger (SAW) for the last 1400+ years.
Sheikh Baaz warned in an article that there is no valid
"Daleel" to support that all the Muslims have to follow the
Makka horizon for moon-sighting. Sheikh Uthaimeen urged the
Muslims in North America to follow the sighting in North
America for fixing the Eid al-Adha date. Just two years ago,
the Shura Council, following ISNA Fiqh Council, confirmed
that all the Ulema who were consulted in this matter said
that they did not find any supporting argument in the Qur'an
and the Sunnah for fixing Eid date by Hajj date.
Qur'an: (The Crescent moons) are the Mawaqeet... for
(determining the date of) Hajj. (2:189).
(Aayat 2:185, 2:200 and 22:29 have no relevance for
determining the Hajj date.
The only correct date of Eid al-Adha all over the world is
10th Day of Dhul Hijja, counted from the evening Dhul Hijja
hilaal is seen. It is well-known that NONE of the six
committees in Saudi Arabia ever see the hilaal on the
officially announced dates. It is always SEEN in Saudi Arabia
a day later.)
Please try to ask these questions of any Alim who asks you to
follow Saudi dates:
1. What are the 'Mawaqeet' for fixing the Islamic dates and
for Hajj? (See Ayah 2:189)
a) The crescents (Ahilla)
b) The New Moon
c) Saudi Taqweem
2. What should the Muslims do when it is beyond any doubt
that the Saudi dates are fixed against the Qu'anic directive?
a) Follow their actual sighting
b) Follow Saudi date even if wrong
(If the Muslims follow Saudi dates (Fast on Saudi 9th Dhul
Hijja (local 8th ), and pray on Saudi 10th D. Hijja (local
9th ) then several complications arise.
1) What should the Muslims do on their actual 9th and 10th D.
Hijja? What about their "Udhiya"? What day should they count
as the day of "Nahr" locally?
If they do it according to the Saudi date they are doing it
on actual 9th D.Hijja. A "sacrifice" made before the prayer
on the 10th D. Hijja is not counted as fulfilling the
obligatory "Udhiya." Another one has to be done. Obviously,
any of the "Udhiya" done on the wrong Saudi date is on 9th
D.Hijja according to the 'Miqaat' specified in the Qur'an.
2) Should we pray again on the actual 10th day of D. Hijja?
3) Is Eid al-Adha prayer made on local actual 9th (but Saudi
Hadith: Eid al-Adha is on the 10th day of Dhul-Hijja
(All Ahadith mention only the 10th as the day of Eid al-Adha.
No Hadith mentions: the day after Hajj or Eid al-Adha is a
celebration of Hajj.) If Eid al-Adha was a celebration of the
completion of Hajj then why did the Messenger (S) pray it
regularly for 9 years when there was no Hajj for the Muslims?.
1. How did the Messenger (SAW) fix the day of "Nahr"
a) By the sighted crescent wherever he was, or
b) By the day of Arafah in Makkah.
2. When did he (SAW) start Eid al-Adha prayer?
a) After Hajj was made obligatory in the 10th year, or
b) From the second year in Medina
(There was no Hajj for the first 8 years of the Messenger
(SAW) living in Medina, but he and all Sahaba prayed Eid
al-Adha from the second year.)
3. Did the Messenger (SAW) ever try to check Arafah/Nahr date
in Makka or adjusted his dates accordingly?
4. Did any of the Khulafa al-Rashidun ever try to announce
the dates of Arafah/Nahr in Makka to the Muslims living
outside Makka so that they do not miss Hajj, Eid prayer
(In several instances, the Companions living outside Makka
missed the Hajj when they reached Makka on the 9th day
according to their sighting. The Hajj in Makka was over
because of an earlier sighting in Makka.)
5. Did any of the Sahaba ever try to send the news of Hajj
date to other towns or acted on the news?
(Umar bin Abdel Aziz used to alert the governors of various
provinces about the dates of Ramadan ahead of time as
mentioned in Ahadith.)
6. Did the Sahaba ever decide their Nahr/Prayer dates on the
"news" from Makka or witnesses from another place if a
crescent was not seen in their town? (Kuraib's famous Hadith
clarifies this point well.)
1. Did any of the Fiqh Schools ever issue a ruling that the
Muslims living outside Makka must/may fix their Eid al-Adha
date by the Arafah day in Makka?
(To avoid chaos and dissension among the Hujjaj the Fuqaha
agreed that the valid date of Arafah is when Dhul Hijja
crescent moon was seen in Makka, and not when the Hujjaj saw
it in their hometowns away from Makka. It was only to avoid
Hajj on two or three days as it happens at Eid al-Fitr now
all over the world. )
2. Is there any new "Dalil" now to tie Arafah/Nahr all over
the world to 9-10th Dhul Hijja in Makka?
(If the day of Nahr in Makka is the determining factor then
the countries east of Makka from Australia to Pakistan may
have Eid prayer and sacrifice before the day of Nahr begins
in Makka. Should they wait till next day?
The Muslims living west of Makka may often see a crescent
moon a day ahead of when it is actually visible in Makka.
Should they wait a day, in case Saudis ever start following
the sighted crescent moon?)
3. Why is it not a 'Bid'ah,' and imposing an undue hardship
on the Muslims scattered all over the globe?
The earth is a globe, not a flat field.
(The Moon cannot be visible all over the world at the
2. Once a crescent moon is first visible at any place, every
place west of it (in a parabola) will see it. Most of the
world will see it within 24 hours. (A "lunar" Islamic
3. The moon is first seen at a different place every month.
4. The Muslims living west of Makka will often see a crescent
a day ahead of Makka.
5. A lunar day/date is always two solar days/dates as they
are fixed differently. The solar date is fixed by the
International Dateline in the Pacific Ocean and the day/date
begins at mid-night locally. The Lunar dateline is fixed by
the earliest visible crescent and the day/date locally begins
after the sunset.
6. The Lunar dateline moves westwards every month.
Some More Questions
1. Why the Saudi Hajj, Ramadan and Eidain dates are always
ahead of the rest of the world? In other words, how can they
see a crescent moon before others who are living west of them?
2. Can a crescent moon be 'seen' before the conjunction (as
the Saudi authorities announced for Ramadan and Eidain 1419,
December 18, 1998, January 17, 1999 and March 17 1999)?
3. What if Saudi fixed date of Hajj makes our D. Q'ada only
28 days, and Dhul Hijja 31 days?
4. If the Saudi authorities ever start following the
'sighted' crescent for Dhul Hijja, should the Muslims in
North America who will often see the D. Hijja crescent a day
ahead of them wait till Dhul Hijja 11 for their Prayer/Nahr?
The Muslims living in the east of Makka will face a reverse
situation. Their 10th of Dhul Hijja may often be a day later
than Makka. Should they adjust their dates according
5. Not only prayer/Nahr will be affected by any such
adjustment but the days of "Tashriq" as well.
The answer is very clear. The Muslims must follow the Qur'an,
the Sunnah, and the consensus of the Ummah for the last 1400
years. The Qur'an specifies the crescent moons as determining
the Islamic dates, and the Hajj. Saudi authorities fix the
Islamic and Hajj dates by other than 'Ahilla', and therefore
the Muslims must not follow them. We checked the books of
Fiqh, and did not find any support for the assertion that Eid
ul-Adha should be made on the basis of Hajj decision. The
Hadith of the Prophet - peace be upon him - that al-Hajj
yauma yahujju al-nas is for those who make Hajj. Of course
those who go to Hajj must go to 'Arafah according to the
decision of the authorities there, even if that is contrary
to the astronomical data or someone's own moon sighting. But
people in far away lands do not make Hajj in their locations.
They have to make Eid prayer and make Qurbani. They cannot
have Eid on 9th of Dhul Hijjah, if the moon was not sighted
in their location and sighted in Arabia one day before. They
cannot have Udhhiyaha a day earlier.
Chairman Committee for Crescent Observation Intl.
The answer to the question of Fasting on the Day of Arafah,
as the respected Mufti from S. Arabia explains is very simple
if we keep in mind a few basic facts:
1. The earth is a globe and not a flat field.
2. There is no reason that Dhul Hijja crescent moon (or any
other month's moon) will ALWAYS BE FIRST SEEN in Saudi
Arabia. A Crescent moon is first seen from a different place
on earth every month.
3. Saudi Arabia decides about Islamic dates NOT BY THE HILAAL
(the crescent moon that you first see after sunset) but by
calculating: Moon is setting after sunset (even by a second).
Although the claim is always made that a "moon was seen
at....(many places), by a large number of "Adil" witnesses
in the kingdom" or 30 days of the month are completed.) Most
Arab states just follow Saudi Arabia.
4. If a moon is really seen in Saudi Arabia/Egypt or anywhere
in Asia, Europe, or North Africa it will CERTAINLY BE SEEN in
N. America 8-10 hours later. If it is not seen on a clear sky
(and the whole N. America is never be cloudy just at sunset)
then Saudi claims are FALSE.
5. It is also a fact that if 30 days of the Islamic month are
really complete then a moon will ALWAYS BE SEEN. If it is not
seen on a clear sky, then 30 days are not complete.
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