FUNNY ASPECT OF RENEGADES WHO CLAIM TO BE FOLLOWERS OF ALI (r.a.)
[Muslims do not follow Ali, r.a., but Allah and His Messenger, pbuh]
I have been trying to take these renegades seriously, be it Zaidi or
Cox or Naquvi or "Abouthar" although there can be little doubt that Ali
(r.a.) would have whipped them or even burned them as he did with the
Jew Ibn Saba's followers who claimed Ali (r.a.) was better than everyone.
However, now I see that these people should not be taken seriously.
They have some kind of psychological problem and will deny clear
They have some kind of fixation on Ali (r.a.) and they have an
in which the Prophet's (pbuh) entire mission failed and he had FOUR real
Here is what "Abouthar" claims:
"Khalid being the sword of Allah is another fabrication. The sword of
Allah and the hero of Islam was none but Ali Bin Abi Talib(a)."
Poor fellow has ignored the texts of Islam which UNANIMOUSLY state that
Khalid (r.a.) was give the title of seifullah by the Prophet himself
THERE IS NO ONE WHO HAS CLAIMED THAT ALI (r.a,) WAS SAIFULLAH. Even
sectarian scholars do not make that claim.
Ali (r.a.) has been called Abu Turab, Abul Hasan, Asad Allah and
other titles but not Saifullah.
How could Ali (r.a.) be called Saifullah when after the first few
battles and with the possible exception of Khaybar, the Prophet (pbuh)
did not send him into battle. In fact Ali (r.a.) complained on being left
with the women and children and the Prophet (pbuh) consoled him by saying
are like Harun to Musa (a.s.). Thus Ali (r.a.) was to be the spiritual
person, man of wisdom and light, but not a leader or a general. (IMAM
as-SADIQ FINALLY FORMULATED THIS SPIRITUAL ASPECT OF ALAWI SHI'ISM.)
It was Khalid (r.a.), not Ali (r.a.). at Ajnadin. It was Khalid (r.a)
at Damacus, not Ali (r.a.)
In case "abouthar" conveniently overlooked this point, let me state this
again: Ali (r.a.) married a woman captured by Khalid (r.a.). Here is
the quote from my previous post:
"In one of the victories of Khalid (r.a.) against Masailama kazzab, a
was captured whom hazrat Ali (r.a.) married and she became the mother
son Muhammad who came to be known as Muhammad ibn al-Hanfiyya. (See
wa un-Nihayya, vol.6., by ibn Kathir, chapter on Malik ibn Nuwaira)."
Notice that Saifullah Khalid (r.a.) was fighting Masailama; Ali (r.a.)
was not fighting. Muhammad (pbuh) sent this sword out against the
and so did Abu Bakr (r.a.). THE SECTARIANS WHO INSULT KHALID (r.a.) ARE
ACTUALLY INSULTING MUHAMMAD (pbuh), because Khalid (r.a.) WAS CHOSEN BY
MUHAMMAD (pbuh). Even when Khalid (r.a.) made a mistake against the
Banu Jadhima, Muhammad (pbuh) did not remove him.
So seek forgiveness and return to Islam.
I will take up other aspects of your sectarian fitna at my leisure. I
will give you the oportunity to reflect and return to Islam. Return to
the religion of Islam and stop being the follower of Ali (r.a.). He would
have whipped you for following him instead of following the Sunnah of
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